Economist Podcasts Space invaders: Russia’s NATO nose-thumbing
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Oct 2, 2025 
Shashank Joshi, Defence editor at The Economist, discusses Russia's provocative air and maritime incidents targeting NATO, examining the escalating tensions in Europe. John McDermott, Senior Africa correspondent, shares insights from Madagascar, where deep-rooted poverty fuels unprecedented protests against the government. Tim Cross, a science writer, answers listener questions about the health benefits of sunlight, revealing its effects on mood and blood pressure while promoting sensible sun exposure. Tune in for a blend of geopolitical analysis, social unrest, and health science!
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Escalating Russian Pressure Campaign
- Russia has sharply increased covert and risky operations in Europe, including sabotage and airspace violations.
- These actions aim to pressure Europe and test NATO's resolve during talks about Ukraine.
Undermining Transatlantic Unity
- Moscow's recent moves seek to sow doubt about U.S. commitment and widen divisions within NATO.
- That uncertainty strengthens Russia's bargaining position in talks over Ukraine and European security.
Practical Responses To Incursions
- Defend airspace with more interceptors and develop low-cost counter-drone systems to avoid wasting expensive missiles.
- Consider non-kinetic responses, asset seizures, and fresh ways to impose costs on Russia short of direct escalation.