Archaeologist Eric Cline and Razib delve into the collapse of civilizations post-1177 B.C., discussing new technologies reshaping our historical understanding. They cover the disintegration of ancient Near Eastern kingdoms, the resilience of Egypt, and the impact of network collapse on societies. The conversation touches on historical revisionism, adaptation, and the importance of knowledge in shaping our perspectives of the past and future.
New technologies like ancient DNA are transforming our understanding of the past.
After the Bronze Age collapse, societies showed resilience and adaptability in transitioning to the Iron Age.
The rise of the alphabet post-collapse revolutionized communication and culture, driven by the Phoenicians' adaptability and innovation.
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Discussion of Genetics and History Enthusiasts Partnership
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AI's Role in Historical Discoveries
Discoveries made through AI and historical sciences synthesis like deciphering scrolls enhance our understanding of history, exemplifying collaboration between technology and historical sciences.
Transition to Iron Age and Resilience
The transition from Bronze to Iron Age highlights experimentation and advancements in iron technology, where iron is sharper and better, showcasing resilience and adaptability of societies.
Resilience of Ancient Civilizations
Ancient civilizations like Egypt show resilience by maintaining cultural continuity through challenging times despite internal problems, reflecting adaptations and transformations after collapse.
The Spread of Alphabet and Innovation Post-Collapse
Following the collapse of the late Bronze Age civilizations, the rise of the alphabet emerged as a transformative cultural force. The Phoenicians played a key role in standardizing and spreading the alphabet, revolutionizing communication. Their resilience and adaptability amid the chaos allowed them to thrive in the power vacuum created by the fall of larger empires. The Phoenicians not only disseminated the alphabet but also established colonies, maintaining economic and cultural significance for centuries.
Capital Investments and Reinvention After Collapse
In the aftermath of economic downturns and the collapse of old civilizations, societies experienced retrenchment that led to efficiency and innovation. The smaller states, like the Neo-Hittites, adapted and flourished, while others faced scarcity for elites, forcing them to reinvent their systems. The central role of geography, such as Cyprus being mountainous and offering natural fortifications, underscores the importance of geographic determinism in shaping survival strategies post-collapse. The end of the old equilibrium ultimately spurred cultural and material reinvention, with literacy and alphabetization marking a significant shift in societal dynamics.
On this episode of Unsupervised Learning Razib talks to George Washington University archaeologist Eric Cline. The author of 1177 B.C. - The Year Civilization Collapsed, Cline has a new book out, After 1177 B.C. - The Survival of Civilizations. While 1177 B.C. closed with the end of the first global civilization, that of the Eastern Mediterranean at the end of the Bronze Age, After 1177 B.C. tells the story of those who picked up the pieces. But first Cline and Razib talk about the popular appetite for ancient history, and how 1177 B.C. became a surprise bestseller. Cline’s training is in archaeology and they discuss how new technologies like ancient DNA and isotope analysis are now contributing to transforming our understanding of the past.
Then they turn to he organization of After 1177 B.C., how Cline decided to build on regional geographically focused histories rather than constructing a tightly integrated single narrative thread. This gets to the reality that the period covered in After 1177 B.C. is one of disintegration and isolation, as the networks binding together ancient Near Eastern kingdoms collapsed, with some states like that of the Hittites disappearing, and others like Egypt re-emerging sharply restructured.
Cline and Razib also discuss the lacunae in our understanding of the past, and the possibility that civilization may have gone through more cycles than we yet understand, with perhaps some social and technological complexity in the Pleistocene that we had not previously anticipated. Cline points out that Göbekli Tepe certainly must have had precursors in the Pleistocene, as local people could not have constructed such a site without skill and know-how accumulated over generations.
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