Avantika Chilkoti, an International correspondent for The Economist, sheds light on the confusing landscape of travel restrictions during the pandemic. She discusses the socioeconomic impact these rules have on low-income countries. Simon Rabinovich, Asia economics editor, dives into Xinjiang's troubled economy, illustrating how repressive tactics against the Uyghurs are unlikely to achieve growth. The conversation also touches upon changing management practices and reflects humorously on workplace culture evolution.