Andy and conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, who is very much pro-vaccine and anti-federal vaccine mandate, merge echo chambers and discuss where conservatives are at this moment with the pandemic. They get into reasons why an estimated 40% of conservative adults aren't vaccinated, what works and what doesn't when it comes to persuading unvaccinated people, and have an in-depth exchange about mandates. This is an increasingly rare but badly needed conversation, one that is spirited and civil between people who disagree. Plus, Ryan Panchadsaram joins Andy at the beginning of the show to weigh in on the Glasgow Climate Pact.

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Check out these resources from today’s episode:

Here’s more on the Pew report on political typology that Hugh mentions: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology-2/
Watch Hugh’s most recent interview with Dr. Fauci: https://hughhewitt.com/video/dr-anthony-fauci-returns-to-the-interview-with-hugh-hewitt/
Here’s Ross Douthat’s book chronicling his chronic Lyme disease that Hugh mentions: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646761/the-deep-places-by-ross-douthat/
Check out Peggy Noonan’s 2016 piece that Hugh references: https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-and-the-rise-of-the-unprotected-1456448550
Learn more about John Doerr and Ryan Panchadsaram’s plan to solve the climate crisis: www.speedandscale.com
Find a COVID-19 vaccine site near you: https://www.vaccines.gov/
Order Andy’s book, Preventable: The Inside Story of How Leadership Failures, Politics, and Selfishness Doomed the U.S. Coronavirus Response: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250770165

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