The Public Service Minister believes cuts within the sector aren't the slash and burn they're made out to be.
The Government has reduced its contractor and consultant spending across the public service by more than half its target.
It says spending has fallen $915 million, compared to its goal of $400 million, and frontline roles in the public service have also increased.
Judith Collins told Mike Hosking redundancy costs from job cuts also need to be seen in the context of overall savings.
She says some agencies immediately got rid of some jobs because they realised they were coping without them.
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