The Rebooting Show

A Spotify model for AI

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Oct 13, 2025
Stephanie Cohen, Chief Strategy Officer at Cloudflare, discusses the evolving role of AI and bots in the online ecosystem. She reveals startling trends: human traffic to publisher sites has plummeted, while bot crawls have surged. Cohen outlines Cloudflare's innovative pay-per-crawl model designed to restore balance and demand for high-quality content. She envisions a Spotify-like marketplace where publishers control access and monetize their content. The conversation highlights the urgent need for clarity and control in the age of AI.
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INSIGHT

Crawl-To-Traffic Bargain Has Broken

  • Publishers report dramatically less human traffic while crawl rates soar, breaking the old crawl-for-traffic bargain.
  • For some bots the crawl-to-traffic ratio is tens of thousands of times worse than a decade ago.
INSIGHT

Models Depend On Fresh Publisher Content

  • Most crawling on Cloudflare is still for model training, though RAG and agents are present.
  • Models increasingly need fresh publisher content to stay accurate and useful.
ADVICE

Create Scarcity And Controls First

  • Change defaults to create scarcity and transparency before building a market.
  • Offer publishers clear controls to block, allow, or charge crawlers so a marketplace can form.
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