#204 In Defense of the Indefensible (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream)
Dec 20, 2023
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Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying, both PhDs in Biology, discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens. They dive into the topics of science and faith, failure modes, the limitations of static rules and methods, and the importance of embracing uncertainty in scientific research. They also explore the significance of solstices and equinoxes, the philosophy of science, and the implications of labeling Trump an insurrectionist. The speakers highlight the need for rationality, falsificationism, and open-mindedness in scientific inquiry.
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Individuals can develop their own strategies for sense-making by maintaining competing hypotheses and accumulating evidence for each independently.
Science is both an art and a craft, embracing curiosity, creativity, and problem-solving alongside the analytic and methodological components.
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The Mind's Methods of Sense-making
The mind has multiple methods of sense-making, including Bayesian reasoning, scientific falsificationism, and faith-based approaches. Each method has its own strengths and limitations, and none of them provide a foolproof way to navigate a Cartesian crisis where different interpretations and facts can lead to confusion. However, individuals can develop their own strategies for making sense by maintaining competing hypotheses and accumulating evidence for each independently. This meta-method allows for a more comprehensive evaluation of different perspectives and prevents the mind from being stuck in rigid thinking patterns. Ultimately, the key is to recognize the limitations of each method and cultivate a flexible approach to sense-making that incorporates a range of approaches.
Importance of the Artistic and Scientific Elements in the Scientific Process
The podcast episode explores the interplay between the artistic and scientific elements in the scientific process. It emphasizes that science is not purely driven by numbers, logic, and rationality. Instead, it embraces a space where curiosity and creativity flourish. The episode discusses how children naturally possess scientific inspiration until they are discouraged by the demands of formal education. It argues that science is both an art and a craft, skillfully practiced by scientists who often operate unconsciously. The analogy is drawn between art and craft, and science and engineering, highlighting their respective focus on discovery and problem-solving. The episode highlights the importance of embracing the artistic and creative aspects of science alongside the analytic and methodological components.
The Need to Defend the Indefensible and Embrace Uncertainty in Science
The podcast episode asserts the need for scientists to defend positions that may seem indefensible or uncertain at first. It challenges the notion that science follows a rigid set of methods and rules, suggesting that there are moments in scientific inquiry where certainty and definitive answers are elusive. The episode presents real-life examples where scientists encountered phenomena that didn't align with existing hypotheses, forcing them to reserve judgment and wait for further evidence. It argues that the scientific method is inherently a cycle of discovery, where hypotheses are constantly refined, and new possibilities emerge. The episode encourages scientists to navigate the complex landscape of science with openness to defending seemingly indefensible ideas and embracing uncertainty as a necessary component of the scientific process.
In this 204th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.
In this episode, we discuss science and faith, in the context of the recent court ruling that will keep Trump off the ballot in Colorado. We discuss failure modes, which include, yes, faith, and science, and falsificationism, and rationality, and more. All of these are useful in some contexts, some much more than others, but none are sufficient. What, in the end, are scientists doing, and what are people doing in the name of science? Also: the solstice, and a reading from Dickens’ A Christmas Carol.
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Mentioned in this episode:
Dr. Timothy Kelly on changing beliefs: https://x.com/drtimothykelly/status/1700773378875887943
Alexandros Marinos on maintaining multiple hypotheses at a time: https://x.com/alexandrosM/status/1700466475616829845
Isaac Asimov (maybe) thinking on scientific discovery: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/03/02/eureka-funny/
Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46/46-h/46-h.htm