On today’s episode, we’re joined by Thiago Ghisi, Director of Engineering at Nubank. With nearly two decades of experience in the software industry, Thiago has held roles such as Senior Software Engineering Manager at Apple, Engineering Director, Mobile Engineering at American Express and Senior Quality Assurance Consultant at Thoughtworks.

Thiago shares his evolution from hands-on engineering to leadership, insights into building Canonical platforms and the transformative journey of adopting server-driven UI at Nubank.

Key Takeaways:

(02:39) The importance of being a “glue person” in engineering teams.

(07:59) Lessons learned from effective delegation and giving actionable feedback.

(14:42) Nubank’s innovative adoption of Flutter to streamline mobile development.

(17:20) Gradual migration without overhauling the entire system immediately.

(20:46) Why server-driven UI took years to perfect and how it revolutionized Nubank’s processes.

(28:19) Server-driven UI enables continuous delivery for faster iteration cycles.

(35:07) End-to-end product ownership means solving problems, not forcing solutions.

(39:10) Company culture plays a critical role in driving success.

(43:49) Governance is critical for managing server-driven UI effectively.

(48:13) Avoiding attachment to technologies enables innovation and adaptability.

Resources Mentioned:

Thiago Ghisi -

https://www.linkedin.com/in/thiagoghisi/

Nubank | LinkedIn -

https://www.linkedin.com/company/nubank/

Nubank | Website -

https://www.nubank.com.br/

Apple -

https://www.linkedin.com/company/apple/

American Express -

https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-express/

Thoughtworks -

https://www.linkedin.com/company/thoughtworks/

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