Lex Fridman Podcast #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal
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Mar 27, 2022 
Brett Johnson, known as the Original Internet Godfather, is a former US Most Wanted cybercriminal who founded ShadowCrew. He shares insights into his chaotic upbringing and the birth of organized cybercrime. The conversation explores the complexities of personal responsibility, motivation behind cybercrime, and the impact of familial trauma on identity. Johnson reflects on his transformation from crime to cybersecurity, emphasizing the role of education and collaboration in combating cyber threats. His journey is a captivating tale of redemption and the duality of human nature.
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Early Childhood Exposure to Crime
- Brett Johnson's mother was involved in various fraudulent activities, including theft and insurance scams.
- His father, while principled, was afraid of his mother and tolerated her behavior.
Mother's Motivation
- Brett's mom's criminal motivation was complex, stemming from a need to test people's love and loyalty.
- She gauged how much abuse others would tolerate while still offering affection.
First Crimes
- At age 10, Brett and his sister began shoplifting food due to neglect and their mother's absence.
- His mother joined them upon discovering their activities, further normalizing criminal behavior.