Can being too nice hurt your leadership style?

Join Shobhit Chugh from Intentional Product Manager as he sits down with veteran product leader and coach, Phil Hornby, to discuss what it takes to be a great leader. In this insightful conversation, we discover the power of "kindness" in leadership and how to manage tough conversations for growth.

We also dive deep into the complexities of product management, covering everything from effective decision-making frameworks to navigating leadership challenges and understanding the future of AI in the industry.

Phil shares his personal experiences and hard-earned wisdom, offering actionable advice for both aspiring and seasoned product managers. Whether you’re looking to elevate your leadership skills or adapt to the evolving job market, this episode will provide valuable insights to help you thrive.

Learn more about Shobhit Chugh at intentionalproductmanager.com and connect on LinkedIn.

Learn more about Phil Hornby and connect with him on LinkedIn and find out more about For Product People here.

00:00 – Introduction to the Podcast

00:21 – Meet Phil Hornby: Product Leader and Author

01:07 – Common Roadmap Mistakes:
A discussion on the foundation of product work, building consensus around your roadmap, and how visuals can transform roadmap conversations.

04:27 – Decision Making in Product Management:
Great product managers are great decision makers. Learn how to refine your decision-making approach and how large companies manage critical choices.

08:32 – The History of Product Management:
Discover how product management evolved and Phil’s journey from product management practitioner to coach.

12:46 – Challenges for New Product Leaders:
Common struggles faced by product managers stepping into leadership roles, balancing ambition with effective leadership, and how to clear obstacles for your team’s success.

14:23 – Being Nice vs. Being Kind:
What does it mean to be a great leader? Phil talks about having tough conversations, offering feedback that helps people grow, and when to choose kindness over niceness.

16:43 – Characteristics of a Great Product Leader:
Key traits of successful product leaders—knowing when to ask the right questions, embracing the unknown, and deciding when to lead or delegate decision-making.

19:45 – Coaching Product Leaders:
The art of meeting individuals where they are, identifying the growth needs of product managers, and finding strategies for success.

24:56 – Counterintuitive Lessons from Coaching:
The unexpected outcomes of strategic decisions, aligning teams when things aren’t working, and the importance of effective implementation.

26:31 – Changes in Product Careers:
A look at how product management roles have shifted, the growing importance of profitability, and the skills needed to articulate your value.

29:00 – AI’s Impact on Product Management:
Discussing how AI is transforming the relationship between engineers and product managers, the potential for AI to drive value, and its impact on product management’s economic value.

31:15 – Advice for Product Managers in Today’s Market:
Insights on navigating the uncertainty of today’s job market and the role of politics in decision-making.

32:26 – Conclusion and Final Thought

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