DarkHorse Podcast Is James Lindsay Wrong About the 'Woke Right'?
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Jun 22, 2025 
In a thought-provoking discussion, James Lindsay, an author and cultural critic known for critiquing woke ideology, joins filmmaker Michael Nayna and host Bret Weinstein in Palm Springs. They dive into the contested term 'woke right,' exploring its origins and implications in today's political landscape. They debate the nuances of ideological frameworks, the dangers of nationalism versus patriotism, and the role of collective action against corruption. The conversation underscores the importance of clear definitions and open dialogue in bridging deep societal divides.
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Defining the 'Woke Right'
- James Lindsay describes the "woke right" as a political ideology formed by disparate right-wing groups using exclusion and inclusion strategically.
- It mirrors certain woke left structures but revolves around nationalism defined ethnically, culturally, or politically.
Nationalism vs Patriotism
- Bret Weinstein views nationalism as a reactionary force often opposing communist universalism.
- He distinguishes patriotism (sacrifice for country) from nationalism (weaponizing the nation), associating fascism with extreme nationalism.
Communism and Fascism's Shared Narrative
- Communism and fascism share a Gnostic narrative of alienation and reclaiming identity but differ in universality versus national identity.
- Fascism adapts nationalist identity as a rigid hierarchy opposing radical egalitarianism of communism.
