The New Yorker contributor and Harvard Law professor Jeannie Suk Gersen joins Tyler Foggatt to discuss a once obscure constitutional provision that allows Cabinet members to remove an unfit President from office. Gersen believes it’s time to use it on Biden. “The Twenty-fifth amendment was designed for a situation in which the President may not recognize his own impairment,” she says.

This week’s reading:

“This Is What the Twenty-fifth Amendment Was Designed For,” by Jeannie Suk Gersen
“The Reckoning of Joe Biden,” by David Remnick
“Joe Biden Is Fighting Back—but Not Against Trump, Really,” by Benjamin Wallace-Wells

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