Selena Simmons-Duffin, NPR's health policy correspondent, joins the discussion as the White House grapples with rising COVID-19 cases and the clash between public health and political strategy. They explore the concerning low booster rates among seniors and the ongoing uncertainty regarding vaccines for young children. The conversation also highlights regional differences in pandemic perceptions, particularly in Michigan, where economic issues seem to overshadow health concerns. The complexities of navigating public health policies amidst a changing political landscape are laid bare.