Jason Koonce is founder and CEO of Detroit-based OTIA Sports, a major player in the sports card and memorabilia industry, with ties to sports legends, including Magic Johnson, Hulk Hogan, and Joe Montana. The self-described “poker degenerate” is also a poker whiz, who once won over a million dollars in a single tournament. In this special episode of Out of Office, Eddie Gonzalez, co-host of the ETCs podcast with Kevin Durant, joins Rich and Gianni in this conversation about Jason’s start in trading cards, and his belief that trading cards have become a serious investment, as potentially valuable a long-term asset as gold or bitcoin.