195. Who is the Church for? — A Conversation with Patrick Mason
Dec 16, 2023
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Patrick Mason, an expert in religious studies, discusses the question of who the Church is for. Topics include the tension within the Church, the focus on the end goal versus loving others, different visions of God in the Doctrine and Covenants, the expansiveness of the vision of heaven, and the tension, alignment, and growth within the Church.
The tension within the Church exists between focusing on the spiritual elite and producing human flourishing.
The Church grapples with the tension between focusing on the elect of God and creating a community that includes those on the margins.
The influence of general authorities and the interpretation of their messages shape Church doctrine over time.
Deep dives
The tension between the spiritual elite and human flourishing
The podcast explores the tension within the Church between the focus on the spiritual elite and the idea of producing human flourishing. The question of who the Church is for is examined, looking at whether it is to find and shepherd the elect of God to exaltation in the next life or to create a Zion community that includes those on the margins. The implicit discourse around this question is discussed, highlighting its significance for the work of the restoration and the nature of God.
The tension between the particular and the universal
The tension between the particular and the universal is explored within the Church. This tension is traced back throughout scriptures, including the Bible and the Book of Mormon, and is seen as inherent to a Church that claims a special relationship with God. The belief in a loving Heavenly Father who wants to save all of His children is discussed, as well as the tension between the teachings of the doctrine and the lived experiences of individuals.
The role of general authorities and the body of the Church
The influence of general authorities and the interpretation of their messages is examined. While general authorities have a significant influence due to their position and the power of general conference, the body of the Church also plays a role in interpreting and incorporating these messages. The dynamic between grassroots ideas and the messages preached from the pulpit is discussed, along with the gradual shaping of Church doctrine over time.
The tension between rewards and genuine discipleship
The tension between seeking rewards and genuinely loving others is explored. The tension between the motivation of seeking the highest degree of glory in the celestial kingdom and the love and inclusion emphasized by the teachings of Jesus is discussed. The importance of becoming a better version of oneself and the daily transformations that come from genuine discipleship are highlighted.
The importance of embracing the tension and moving towards Zion
The importance of embracing the tension between different visions within the Church is emphasized. The goal of creating communities of love, unity, and inclusion on Earth, while also having a lively hope in the life to come, is discussed. The mission of creating both Zion and exaltation simultaneously, and aiming towards a world where differences are consecrated towards one another's good, is highlighted.
Nearly everything we do in the Church — from missionary work and ministering efforts to baptisms and temple work — hinges on an underlying question: who is the Church for? Is the project of the Restoration to find and shepherd the elect of God to exaltation in the next life, or is it to create a Zion community here that strives to include those on the margins, the way Jesus ministered? Should it be one or the other?
It’s seemed to us that there’s an implicit discourse around this question playing out on social media, in Church meetings, in books and articles, on podcasts — and even in forums like General Conference.
And it has significant implications — the answer holds real weight as for we participate in the work of the Restoration, but not just that — what does it say about the nature of God?
This past conference, Pres. Dallin H. Oaks declared “the purpose of this restored Church is to prepare God’s children for salvation in the celestial glory and, more particularly, for exaltation in its highest degree.” In theory, that destiny is available to all God’s children. But what about the multitudes of God’s children who may seem to be left behind-–those for whom any quest for exaltation seems buried under conditions like grinding poverty, mental illness, abuse, or other serious obstacles to thriving. Is the restored church for them too?
We thought it could be important and helpful to have an explicit conversation around this question that’s often felt more than heard. And, we think we ended up with the perfect conversation partner, and someone we know many of you love and admire as much as we do — Patrick Mason.
Patrick helped us walk through some of this tricky territory with his signature blend of love for the Church, enthusiasm about the restoration, and clear-eyed realism about where we are as a community and tradition — and where we could hope to go.
Patrick Mason is the Leonard Arrington Chair of Mormon History and Culture at Utah State University, has been a frequent guest on this show and is long-time friend and advisor to Faith Matters.
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