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The episode discusses the current perception of wokeness in America, noting that while public sentiment has shifted away from it, major institutions remain entrenched in woke ideology. This discrepancy creates a 'zombie' effect, where the ideology continues to exert influence despite a lack of organic support. The hosts reflect on the impact of recent political changes and elections, suggesting that as society moves away from identity politics, institutions may face pressure to adapt or risk obsolescence. Dr. James Lindsay observes that both the Biden administration and the Harris campaign have struggled with wokeness, being perceived as liabilities rather than assets.