In this podcast, Jonah Goldberg and Megan McArdle engage in an abstract conversation, discussing the role of desire in the culture wars and the appeal of Trump. They also explore the importance and limitations of ideas, express concerns about the lack of separation between personal dislike and bad ideas, and discuss Donald Trump's unfitness for the presidency. The challenges of accepting limiting principles and the tensions between abstract rules and personal discretion are also explored.
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Culture wars are driven by a desire for tribal identity and social status, with a shift from material goods to status goods as a means of displaying superiority.
Ideas are often lagging indicators, used to legitimize preexisting political positions, while psychology and sociology have greater influence on shaping society.
Holding elected officials accountable, upholding the rule of law, and protecting the integrity of elections are crucial regardless of party affiliation.
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The Culture Wars and Tribalism
The speaker discusses how the culture wars are driven by a desire for tribal identity and social status. He suggests that the focus on cultural posturing and fashion is a result of a shift from material goods to status goods as a means of displaying one's superiority. He argues that being able to speak in a woke language, for example, is similar to owning a luxury good that proves one's elite status.
The Importance of Ideas
The speaker questions the significance of intellectual constructs and argues that ideas are often lagging indicators rather than leading indicators. He believes that ideas are often used to legitimize preexisting political positions and that they are not as influential in shaping society as psychology and sociology. He also highlights the importance of cultural customs and practices in influencing political ideologies.
The Impact of Trump and the Role of Institutions
The speaker discusses the unique nature of Donald Trump's presidency and the polarizing effect it has had on American politics. He criticizes both the Republican and Democratic parties for tolerating lies and misconduct. He emphasizes the importance of upholding the rule of law, protecting the integrity of elections, and holding elected officials accountable, regardless of party affiliation.
Concerns about critical history movements
The speaker expresses worry about the critical history movement, suggesting that when the narrative about America focuses solely on oppression and negative aspects, it fails to hold the country and its people together. They believe that a story depicting America as a mixture of good with some tragic flaws is more unifying. They also highlight the importance of factors such as liberalism, democracy, democratic norms, and the welfare state in maintaining a cohesive nation.
The dangers of catastrophizing and abandoning rules
The speaker discusses the dangers of catastrophizing events and abandoning established rules and norms. They argue that this mindset can lead to a breakdown in democratic institutions and a disregard for the principles that have guided the nation. They emphasize the importance of free speech as a truce in the political landscape and caution against the tendency to view politics as entertainment or a spectator sport. Additionally, they criticize the embrace of performative politics and the desire to feel important by exaggerating the gravity of the situation.
Megan McArdle returns to the Remnant today for a discussion that has the luxury of being detached from current events. Things operate at a high level of abstraction throughout—even the rank punditry is more nerdishly academic than usual—as she and Jonah analyze and debate a handful of topics that seem to render him increasingly despondent. Can resentment among elites explain Donald Trump’s success? Do ideas actually matter, or have all intellectuals wasted their lives? Just how ugly should we expect 2024 to be? And can Jonah outrun his ongoing mid-life crisis in a ramshackle RV?