Today’s show: Jason, Alex, and Lon break down today’s top tech and startup stories — from Slate Auto’s customizable $25K EV truck to Discord’s major leadership shakeup ahead of a potential IPO. They also cover Uber’s self-driving push with Volkswagen, Perplexity AI’s aggressive growth moves, and why value-driven products are winning in a tough economy. Plus, Alex sits down with Tailscale CEO Avery Pennarun to unpack how they grew from 5K to 10K customers — and why fixing internet networking could spark the next huge wave of innovation.

Timestamps:

(0:00) Jason, Lon and Alex kick off the show!

(3:26) Introduction and features of Bezos-backed EV truck company, Slate

(7:55) Market impact and value proposition of Slate's EV trucks

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(14:04) EV features and market potential discussion

(17:42) Discord CEO steps down and IPO prospects

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(24:00) Uber and Volkswagen's self-driving car partnership

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(30:00) Pace of self-driving car adoption and regulation

(37:20) Butterfly Effect secures Benchmark investment

(38:37) Perplexity and Motorola Razr partnership

(43:12) Jason's experience with Light Phone

(45:39) New York Times and Ziff Davis lawsuits against OpenAI

(50:09) Nonprofit structures and OpenAI's mission issues

(54:01) Founder Friday: Pitchfire and TACTUN's two-year plans

(1:02:28) Introduction to Tailscale and Avery Pennarun

(1:10:17) Tailscale's enterprise adoption

(1:21:13) Current Internet networking issues*

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Check out Tailscale: https://tailscale.com/

Check out Slate vehicles: https://www.slate.auto/en

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Check out the Light Phone: https://www.thelightphone.com/

Check out Oregon lawmakers article: ****https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2025/04/oregon-lawmakers-to-decide-whether-big-tech-should-pay-to-support-local-journalism.html

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