E198: Should Wives Submit to Their Husbands? w/Erika Bachiochi

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Mar 21, 2025

Erika Bachiochi, a pro-life legal scholar and author, shares her remarkable journey from liberal feminism to advocating for traditional gender roles. She discusses the dangers of toxic masculinity and femininity, arguing for the beauty of authentic relationships within families. Bachiochi emphasizes the importance of mutual respect and collaboration between men and women while addressing societal shifts and the historical context of women's rights. Her insights provide a thoughtful exploration of faith, recovery, and the responsibilities inherent in modern relationships.

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Erika's Transformation

Erika Bachiochi's journey from a Bernie Sanders-supporting feminist to a pro-life advocate began in college.
Her experience with Alcoholics Anonymous and exposure to Christian thinkers led to a shift in perspective.

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Encountering the Catholic Worker Movement

Erika attended a lecture on the Catholic Worker Movement and recovery from addiction, sparking her interest in Catholicism.
She connected with the Catholic community and began exploring the faith.

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A Profound Realization

After attending a Newman Club meeting, Erika had a profound experience that led her back to prayer.
She directly asked God if He had a son and subsequently encountered C.S. Lewis's Mere Christianity.

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TThe distorted version of masculinity is hedonistic and domineering, seeking control over his wife and restricting her freedom. The toxic version of femininity is self-absorbed and detached from reason, flaunting her sexuality online and encouraging her children toward gender confusion. In response to these extremes, society has overcorrected—suppressing true masculinity and femininity instead of restoring their rightful place.

Today, my guest and I delve into the beauty of men and women as they were originally designed, celebrating their distinct gifts and the way they harmonize within the family through a healthy model of headship. Erika Bachiochi, a pro-life legal scholar, expert in Christian social teaching and sexual ethics, and author of the groundbreaking Wall Street Journal article "John Paul II, the Feminist Pope," joins me to discuss these crucial issues. She also shares her incredible personal journey—from a broken, liberal alcoholic to a joyful, traditional mother of seven. Don't miss this compelling conversation on reclaiming authentic gender roles in our culture.

Erika’s book - The Rights Of Women: https://amzn.to/4kVoNmI

Erika's article on WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/opinion/john-paul-ii-the-feminist-pope-women-equal-dignity-theology-22954069

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00:00:00 - Intro

00:02:38 - Erika’s conversion story

00:07:58 - Learning how to pray through AA

00:12:58 - EveryLife

00:14:00 - AA Recovery Meetings

00:18:36 - “God, show me which church”

00:21:56 - We Heart Nutrition

00:23:18 - Sponsoring College Students

00:29:11 - Gave up alcohol for a husband

00:35:23 - Erika’s husband corrected her:

00:40:09 - Authority vs Power vs Persuasion

00:46:27 - The Problem with Modern ‘Feminism’

00:49:37 - Man and Woman’s Degeneracy

00:52:36 - ‘Men are going to use me, might as well monetize it’

00:56:59 - Erika’s work in pro-life world

01:02:12 - How did past societies handle gender asymmetry?

01:03:31 - Male Chastity is Difficult

01:06:31 - John Paul II: The Feminist Pope?

01:10:55 - Husband sees the whole; Wife sees the parts

01:14:09 - Red Flag for Women Dating:

01:17:00 - What does a woman’s submission look like?

01:21:03 - All men want is…