Episode 414 of the "Sports Illustrated Media Podcast" hosted by Jimmy Traina features a conversation with The Ringer's Kevin Clark.

Clark weighs in on the Colts hiring Jeff Saturday as interim head coach and whether the angry reaction from across the board was over the top. Clark also shares his thoughts on Amazon Prime's "Thursday Night Football" telecast, the problem with NFL pregame shows, what's going on with Aaron Rodgers right now, whether the NFL should push back the trade deadline, why he feels passionate about hot chocolate and much more.

Following Clark, Sal Licata from WFAN radio and SNY TV in New York joins Jimmy for their weekly "Traina Thoughts" segment. This week, the guys talk about the anarchy on Twitter thanks to the new verification system, they read recent "SI Media Podcast" Apple reviews, give out their weekly NFL "best bets" and more