If you google "The NHS" you'll see screaming headlines from the Daily Mail about cost and waste - debate in parliament is about how much of our GDP we should be spending - and each year, hospital trusts go cap in hand to ask for more funding.
Against this backdrop, a new analysis, and a first in a series, published on bmj.com, looks at what it takes to have sustainable healthcare - and cruically, talks about this from the point of view of benefit, not cost.
I'm Duncan Jarvies, and I'm Navjoyt Ladher, and today we've come to the House of Lords to speak to Baron Nigel Crisp - cross-bench peer, former NHS trust executive, and health system guru.
Medicine and Science from The BMJ