Debate On The US Dollar: Will It Soar Or Sink From Here? | Brent Johnson vs Matthew Piepenburg
Nov 21, 2023
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Brent Johnson, CEO of Santiago Capital and Matthew Piepenburg, Commercial Director at Matterhorn Asset Management AG, engage in a "co-exploration" on the future of the US dollar. They discuss areas of agreement such as the sovereign debt spiral and the demand for US dollars. They also debate the impact of monetary policies, the role of the Federal Reserve, and potential consequences if the dollar loses control. The speakers explore the need for a new global monetary system and stress the importance of owning gold as a hedge against currency devaluation.
The impact of monetary policies, such as lowering interest rates and doing quantitative easing (QE), on currencies during recessions and the importance of a weaker currency in fighting a recession.
The different viewpoints and predictions regarding the future path of the US dollar, including areas of agreement on a potential sovereign debt spiral and the demand for US dollars in the current economic landscape, but differing opinions on the strength or weakness of the dollar and actions during a crisis.
The significance of commercial banks in extending credit and providing liquidity, the role of the Federal Reserve and the euro dollar market, and the potential effects on global GDP and the ability to control currency movements.
Deep dives
The Impact of Monetary Policies and Recessions on Currencies
The podcast discussion revolves around the impact of monetary policies, specifically lowering interest rates and doing quantitative easing (QE), on currencies during recessions. The main question raised is how Japan, China, and Europe would respond when facing a recession while the United States is implementing QE and the US dollar is appreciating. The discussion emphasizes the importance of a weaker currency in fighting a recession. However, it is acknowledged that countries like Japan, Europe, and China would not simply sit back with tighter monetary policies if the US dollar were to depreciate dramatically. The potential risks and consequences of currency fluctuations and the limitations of monetary policy as a solution are explored. The conversation also touches upon the Dollar Milkshake theory developed by Brent Johnson, which highlights how US dollars will be in high demand during a sovereign debt and currency crisis.
Meeting of Monetary Experts: Brent Johnson and Matthew Pippenberg
The podcast episode features a meeting between Brent Johnson, CEO of Santiago Capital, and Matthew Pippenberg, Commercial Director at Matterhorn Asset Management AG Gold Switzerland. The discussion centers around their different viewpoints and predictions regarding the future path of the US dollar. Both speakers acknowledge areas of agreement, including the potential for a sovereign debt spiral, the demand for US dollars in the current economic landscape, the significance of the euro dollar market, and the unique advantages of the US currency as the world's reserve currency. They agree that gold will be a winning asset in the long run, regardless of the dollar's trajectory. However, they differ on their prognosis for the strength or weakness of the dollar and the actions that central banks and countries may take during a crisis. The debate also touches on the role of liquidity and the potential consequences for global GDP.
The Fed's Role and the Importance of Commercial Banks
The podcast delves into the role of the Federal Reserve (the Fed) and the significance of commercial banks in the economic system. Both speakers agree that private banks play a crucial role in extending credit and providing liquidity. The discussion highlights that the majority of money in the world is created by commercial banks through loans, and central banks cannot create base money as easily. This leads to the recognition that the US has the ability to provide liquidity domestically in times of crisis, but the same mechanism is not available internationally. The importance of the euro dollar market and the impact of US policies on the rest of the world's economic health are discussed. The potential effects on global GDP, debt crises, and the ability of central planners to control currency movements are explored.
The Dollar's Trajectory and the Future Outlook
The speakers discuss different scenarios and potential outcomes concerning the future trajectory of the US dollar. They contemplate whether a cycle of fluctuating strength or a consistent rise in dollar value against other currencies is more likely. While both speakers acknowledge the possibility of drawdowns and severe volatility, Brent argues that a sustained weak dollar is unlikely to solve the US's fundamental economic issues. He posits that the US can withhold base money from the rest of the world if geopolitical tensions arise or if other countries attempt to challenge the global dominance of the US dollar. Matt suggests that the US will likely resort to expanding liquidity and taking measures to prevent the dollar from strengthening excessively, as this could harm its own economy and debts. The potential causes and consequences of a stronger or weaker dollar on global trade and GDP are contemplated, with recognition given to the role of gold as a long-term winner in either scenario.
Assets to Consider: Cash and Gold
According to Brent, holding some cash on the sidelines is essential. If you're a US investor, it's advisable to keep cash in US dollars. He also emphasized the importance of owning gold as a hedge against currency devaluation and a potential crisis.
Other Asset Considerations: Equities and Real Estate
Brent suggests having some allocation to equities, particularly in blue-chip US companies that generate overseas revenue. He believes the US will likely outperform the rest of the world. Additionally, Brent mentioned the potential benefits of owning productive real estate with low debt. He highlighted the need for diversification and being mindful of selecting assets that can withstand potential market volatility.
In this video, we're witness to a "meeting of the minds" between two top monetary experts, who each will argue their predicted path for the US dollar from here.
We're very fortunate to be joined by Brent Johnson, CEO of Santiago Capital and developer of The Dollar Milkshake Theory, which will serve as the foundation upon which today's discussion will be built.
Serving as a counterpoint perspective will be Matthew Piepenburg, Commercial Director at Matterhorn Asset Management AG - GoldSwitzerland
This is not a debate so much as a "co-exploration", as there are many points our speakers agree on. But there are definitely a few where they see things differently. And over the next hour, we'll drill down together on those points of differentiation, to see if we can't make the path ahead for the US dollar clearer to discern.
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