Jane M keeps Jane Garvey's seat warm this week, but she only just made it in by the skin of her teeth. Fi also had a slightly treacherous journey in. Once they're both settled, they chat tuna-mushroom-soup casserole, driving on both sides, and nookie.

Plus, Lady Hale, former President of the Supreme Court, discusses her new book 'With the Law on Our Side'.

We've announced our next book club pick! 'Just Kids' is by Patti Smith.

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Exotic and Mundane (with Lady Hale)