It’s three years since the then prime minister Boris Johnson announced the first national lockdown in an attempt to halt the spread of covid. So, as we move on from the last pandemic, what might cause the next one? And have we learned enough this time round to stop it before it gets out of hand?

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Guest: Ben Spencer, Science Editor, The Sunday Times.

Host: Sean O'Neill. 

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