This week, in episode 218, special guest Rich Jordan tells Shawn Busse and Jay Goltz what it was like buying a small plumbing business in 2020 despite having very little experience with either plumbing or business—but having spent 10 years in the Marine Corps. “When I reflected on my time in service and what I did well and what I enjoyed,” Rich tells us, “it was when I was on a small team with high stakes, far forward, far from the flagpole, responsible for making decisions and sustaining ourselves and figuring things out. So when I thought about that—small team, high stakes, self-sustained—small business kind of fit that bill.” Not surprisingly, it took Rich some time to figure out what he was doing with the plumbing business, but in just four years, through organic growth and a few acquisitions—while taking no outside capital—he’s gone from three plumbers and $1 million in annual revenue to about 90 employees and $20 million in revenue. Which is why, Rich tells Jay and Shawn, he keeps moving the goalposts, reassessing just how big he wants the business to be.