Is Trump an "Aberration" Or the Logical Conclusion of the Right-Wing Project? (w/ David Austin Walsh)
Jul 5, 2024
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David Austin Walsh, a postdoc at Yale and author of Taking America Back, discusses the evolution of the U.S. right wing from the New Deal era, the historical ties between mainstream conservatism and the far right, and the impact of figures like William F. Buckley on modern conservatism. The podcast explores the ideological divide within American conservatism, the legacy of Trump, and the complexities of conservative factions during pivotal events in the 1960s.
Conservative movement arose from opposition to New Deal, collaborating with far right until civil rights era.
William F. Buckley Jr. played pivotal role in shaping conservative politics and alliances.
Buckley's hypothetical stance against Trump reflects emphasis on traditional conservative principles.
Deep dives
Donald Trump's Continuity Within American Conservatism
Donald Trump's presidency is not seen as a deviation from American conservative traditions, but rather an acceleration of existing trends within conservative and right-wing politics since the New Deal era. Trumpism is viewed as a continuation of efforts to challenge the New Deal liberal order, reflecting deep-rooted elements in the conservative movement.
Exploring the Conservative Movement's History Through William F. Buckley Jr.
The conservative movement's history is intricately linked to key figures like William F. Buckley Jr., a prominent conservative voice in the 20th century. Buckley's role in shaping conservative politics and alliances with individuals like Merwin Hart and Revilo Oliver exemplify the movement's varied factions united in opposing the perceived threat of New Deal liberalism.
William F. Buckley's Stance on Donald Trump
William F. Buckley Jr.'s hypothetical perspective on Donald Trump suggests he would have been skeptical of Trump's divergence from traditional conservative tenets. Buckley's emphasis on pro-free market fusionism and his discomfort with deviations from this ideological framework align with his hypothetical 'never-Trumper' stance.
Evaluating Shifts in American Conservative Politics
The dynamics of American conservative politics have witnessed shifts towards a more dominant far-right presence post-2016. While divisions and potential schisms within the conservative movement exist, strategic considerations suggest the need to navigate these complexities cautiously, recognizing the nuances and potential impacts on policy initiatives.
Conservative Movements: Unity Amidst Diverse Ideological Factions
The conservative movement embodies a complex interplay of various ideological factions, from paleoconservatism to neoconservatism. While these factions may exhibit internal conflicts and differing priorities, they often unite under a shared opposition to liberalism and as part of a broader right-wing popular front.
Future Prospects for Conservative Politics
Anticipations regarding the future trajectory of conservative politics post-Trump era remain uncertain. Potential fissures in the GOP following electoral outcomes may deepen existing tensions and lead to significant schisms within the movement. However, past schism occurrences have not always translated into substantial shifts, highlighting the intricate and evolving nature of American conservatism.
Today we talk to David Austin Walsh, a postdoc at Yale and the author of Taking America Back: The Conservative Movement and the Far Right, a new book about the history of the U.S. right wing. Walsh is particularly interest in what the boundaries are (if any) between "mainstream" conservatism and the "far right." He goes back to the time of William F. Buckley and talks about the relationship between fascist sympathizing reactionaries and the "respectable" right, and how that relationship evolved over time. He joins today to help us better understand how to think about terms like "right," "far right," and "conservative."
A Current Affairs article about Buckley, including his King speech, can be read here. A previous Current Affairs podcast episode devoted exclusively to Buckley is here. A book review on the John Birch Society by Nathan at The Nation is here.
"Modern conservatism emerged out of opposition to the New Deal in the 1930s and 1940s, forming a right-wing popular front—a term coined by William F. Buckley Jr. in his private correspondence—with the openly racist, antisemitic, and pro-fascist far right. This coalition proved to be remarkably durable until the 1960s, when the popular front began to unravel as some conservatives proved to be unwilling to make even modest concessions to the demands of the civil rights movement and jettison explicit racism and antisemitism. These apostate conservatives would form the basis of modern white nationalism—and the boundaries between where “responsible” conservatism ended and the far right began were usually blurred... Twentieth-century American conservatism did not equal fascism, but it evolved out of a right-wing popular front that included fascist and quasi-fascist elements. This is the key to understanding how American conservatism embraced MAGAism in the twenty-first century." - David Austin Walsh
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