

NES 068: The Cass McCombs Interview
Aug 12, 2025
In this lively discussion, Cass McCombs, a genre-defying singer-songwriter, shares insights on his latest album, Interior Live Oak. Acclaimed musician Blake Mills dives into the creative process behind Cass's poignant songwriting, while admirer Ryley Walker highlights the humor and depth in McCombs' lyrics. They explore the concept of 'greatest hits without hits,' the influence of place on creativity, and the balance between authenticity and perfection in music. The conversation uncovers the beauty of collaboration and personal narratives in art.
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Mystery Over Explanation
- Cass treats his songs as mysteries that reward listener commitment rather than explicit explanations.
- He deliberately resists commodifying personal detail and lets music remain enigmatic and private.
Imaginary California
- Cass grew up around Bay Area lore and says his songs compress all time into present time, blending Gold Rush, beat era, and native histories.
- He calls the record an 'imaginative California' rather than a literal geography.
Early Encounters With Cass
- Matt Sweeney, Ryley Walker, and Blake Mills recall first connecting with Cass through early records and festivals in the 2000s.
- Blake remembers hearing Cass alongside Big Star and instantly recognizing a deep influence and craft.