In this episode, Bea and Uranio sit down with psychotherapist Karen Carlsen to explore how the Enneagram can be integrated into deep healing and therapeutic work. Karen shares her approach to using the Enneagram as a map for understanding personality defenses, the power of knowing her clients' Enneagram types, and transformation in psychotherapy and coaching work. Together, they discuss real-life applications, the importance of presence in the healing process, and how the Enneagram can support both therapists and clients in uncovering the true self beyond personality patterns.