The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1052: George Packer: JD, Hollow Man

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May 28, 2025
George Packer, a staff writer at The Atlantic and author of a profile on J.D. Vance, joins Melanie Stansbury, a Democratic Congresswoman from New Mexico. They delve into Vance's political transformation and how he navigates identity and ambition in a populist landscape. The conversation critiques moral inconsistencies in current politics, the tension between fiscal conservatism and Trump's influence, and the impact of rising authoritarianism. Stansbury shares insights from her unique political journey in a conservative region, emphasizing the importance of civic engagement.
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INSIGHT

J.D. Vance's Transformations

  • J.D. Vance transformed from a poor, troubled hillbilly to an Ivy League success story and then into a vitriolic MAGA culture warrior.
  • His identity shift shows how power and new environments can radically reshape a person's public persona.
INSIGHT

Hillbilly Elegy’s Core Message

  • Hillbilly Elegy is an honest, self-critical portrayal of working-class culture showing both self-pity and structural challenges.
  • The book urges personal responsibility over blaming society, promoting a bootstrap mentality despite hardships.
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Vance’s Political Realignment

  • Vance’s political shift to MAGA aligned with Trump’s rise, realizing his path to power was through Trump, not traditional elites.
  • This shift abandoned former mentors and embraced a combative, aggressive persona rewarded by MAGA circles.
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