

WarRoom Battleground EP 866: “Pope Leo” Settles Into His Role — As Leader Of The Opposition Against The Trump Administration
Oct 8, 2025
In this engaging discussion, Frank Walker, a Catholic media expert, and Jenny E. Holland, a cultural journalist, delve into Pope Leo's emerging role as a vocal opponent of the Trump administration. They explore how his rhetoric on immigration challenges traditional views and could influence young converts to faith. Jenny also highlights recent social issues in the UK, addressing the unsettling realities of Islamist violence and the alarming content children face online, calling for urgent moral leadership in a rapidly changing society.
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Pope Leo As Political Opposition
- Ben Harnwell argues Pope Leo is positioning himself as leader of the opposition to the Trump administration by attacking immigration and security policies.
- This framing casts papal comments on migrants as a political challenge to current U.S. policy priorities.
Papal Rhetoric Recasts Border Policy
- Frank Walker says the Pope accuses supporters of controlled borders of being discriminatory and effectively racist.
- He frames the Pope's language as weaponized rhetoric that pressures Catholics toward a pro-immigration stance.
Conversion Versus Superficial Identification
- Ben Harnwell distinguishes superficial Catholic identification from true conversion based on faith and doctrine.
- He argues Novus Ordo trends substitute sentiment for doctrinal substance, producing shallow affiliation.