Remarkable Content with Ian Faison Hades: B2B Marketing Lessons on Making Brave Creative Moves with Director, Content Marketing & Integrated Campaign Strategy at Sumo Logic, Zoe Hawkins
Escaping the underworld may not sound like a marketing strategy until you look at how Hades turned it into a blueprint for success.
Developed by indie studio Supergiant Games, Hades isn’t just a video game, it’s a critically acclaimed masterpiece thanks to its iterative development, rich storytelling, and a fanbase that helped shape the game in real time. In this episode, we dive into the lessons marketers can learn from this roguelike phenomenon with special guest Zoe Hawkins, Director, Content Marketing & Integrated Campaign Strategy at Sumo Logic.
Together, we explore what B2B marketers can learn from fearless experimentation, community co-creation, and crafting content your audience can’t help but share.
About our guest, Zoe Hawkins
Zoe Hawkins is a former video game and tech journalist turned content marketer. She has over a decade of professional experience turning technical understanding into fluent communication. Working with a range of B2B tech companies, Zoe has helped create value across marketing and strategy. She also serves as co-lead for Sumo Logic’s sustainability-focused ERG, the Planeteers. When not working, Zoe is usually absorbed in speculative fiction – video games, books, or streaming media. She’s a mom to two cats and a grade-school-aged daughter, living with her husband in perpetually sunny Arizona.
What B2B Companies Can Learn From Hades:
- Experimentation is the only way forward. In Hades, dying isn’t a setback; it’s part of the process. Zoe says, “You keep experimenting and you're gonna fail. And that's okay... Each time you learn and you grow and you do it better.” For marketers, it’s a reminder that campaigns don’t need to be perfect out of the gate. Failure isn’t fatal. Failure is how you find what works.
- Build content with your community, not just for them. Supergiant launched Hades in early access, inviting players to shape the game as it evolved. Zoe explains, “They give feedback. It's almost like a co-design, co-development process with your fans.” B2B marketers can do the same by involving their audience early, whether through feedback loops, pilots, or beta content. Let your audience help build what they want. It not only strengthens relationships, but it also keeps them excited about what’s coming next.
- Create content that people want to share. Hades isn’t just a game people play, it’s one they rave about. Zoe asks, “How do you make it that people are actually happy to use your product and excited to use it… not just customer loyalty, but advocacy? They wanna tell other people, ‘you will not believe how cool this thing is’.” That’s exactly what Hades achieves through intentional design, standout storytelling, and undeniable personality. Marketers should aim for the same. Treat your content the way Hades treats gameplay, and your audience won’t just consume it, they’ll spread it.
Quotes
*“ You keep experimenting, and you're gonna fail. And that's okay. If I think about it, you come into a new team or you come into a new product launch or you come into a new organization, whatever it might be. And you think you know how to play the game, you think you know what it takes to succeed, to beat the boss, whatever that is. And you do the run according to the way that you've done it, maybe in other roles or other companies, and you die, you fail. It doesn't necessarily go a hundred percent to plan, and that's okay. And then you get to restart with a new weapon, a new strategy, a new approach, whatever that might be, and pull it back together. Bring it back in to say, ‘okay, let's, let's try it again. Let's run it again and see if we're successful this time.’ And that just feels so liberating and then each time you learn and you grow and you do it better.”
*“ I love the idea that they only make one game at a time, that they're so focused, and it comes through in the work. It's so polished, it's so well made, and clearly made with love, that transfers to me. And I think if we tie it back to that B2B marketing, I think about working in tech, working in SaaS, how do you give that moment of delight where it's not just like, ‘oh my gosh, your company saved me this amount of money or whatever, or this tool is worthwhile for me.’ But how do you make it that people are actually happy to use your product and excited to use it, or have that sense of not just customer loyalty, but advocacy. They wanna tell other people, ‘you will not believe how cool this thing is.’”
*“ One of my favorite kinds of content to make is case studies because we get to make our customer shine and tell their story… I know our story backwards and forward. What's your story? Why are you winning with this? Why are you succeeding with this? And being able to tell something cool that they figured out, a way they're using our product that we didn't even think about that's interesting or cool.”
*“ Not being afraid to experiment, not being afraid to fail, I think, is such an important marketing lesson, because you're gonna have some risks that are gonna be great, and you're gonna take some risks that are gonna just completely flop. And that's okay. That's how we learn. That's how we try new things.”
Time Stamps
[0:55] Meet Zoe Hawkins, Director, Content Marketing & Integrated Campaign Strategy at Sumo Logic
[02:20] Why Hades?
[03:08] The Role of Director of Content Marketing and Integrated Campaigns at Sumo Logic
[03:54] Origins of Hades
[15:29] B2B Marketing Lessons from Hades
[44:32] Importance of Humor in Branding and Content Strategy
[49:47] Versatility of Video Content
[54:11] Final Thoughts and Takeaways
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