James Bryan Smith has a Things Above conversation with spiritual director and friend Matt Johnson. James and Matt have a conversation about the research they are conducting together about what happens to people who experience significant spiritual growth. In this episode, they talk about James’ triangle of transformation from The Good and Beautiful series.

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1. Gratitude
2. Let Nothing Disturb You
3. Talk With God
4. Talk to God
5. Gentle and Mighty

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