Dawn Butler MP was ordered to leave the House of Commons after calling Boris Johnson what he objectively is - a liar. What does it tell us about our country that the only people held to account for Tory lies are those who call them out? Dawn talks to me about the normalisation of lying, how she called out Tory racism, how the huge response she's generated shows a thirst for opposition currently lacking in Labour - and whether she has any ambitions to one day be Labour leader herself?
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