Fresh off the heels of a whirlwind trip to Kyiv with The Atlantic Council, former US Ambassador to Ukraine Steven Pifer sits down with Francis Fukuyama to talk about what he saw and where he believes the current crisis between Russia and Ukraine is headed.

Pifer is a William J. Perry Research Fellow at the Center for International Security and Cooperation as well as a non-resident senior fellow with the Brookings Institution. From January-May 2021, he was a fellow at the Robert Bosch Academy in Berlin. His research focuses on nuclear arms control, Ukraine, Russia and European security.

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