Ruth Ben-Ghiat, expert on authoritarianism, discusses the GOP's loyalty to Trump, elite support for him, and his mission to undermine democracy. Topics include Umberto Eco's essay on fascism, Ruth's book 'Strongmen', and the potential for Trump's return to power in 2028.
Understanding history can shed light on current authoritarian threats and the erosion of democracy.
The normalization of extremist behavior by political figures can pave the way for autocratic trends.
Deep dives
Ruth Ben Geatt's Fascism Origins
Ruth Ben Geatt delves into her upbringing in Southern California, where the presence of refugees from Nazism sparked her curiosity in understanding their experiences. Initially intending to study Germany, she shifted to research Italy, fascinated by its lesser-studied fascism history and Rome's allure.
Assessing Authoritarian Threats
Ben Geatt highlights the challenge of gauging authoritarian threats, drawing parallels from history like Mussolini's arrival at dictatorship. She emphasizes the need to consider the aggregate impact of actions that delegitimize democracy, citing examples like the GOP's efforts to undermine democracy.
Normalizing Far-Right Extremism
The podcast explores how Berlusconi normalized far-right extremism by aligning with neo-fascist parties, paving the way for autocratic trends. Parallels are drawn to Trump's empowerment of extreme figures within the Republican Party, fostering a culture of fear and compliance.
Trump's Authoritarian Leanings
Discussions focus on Trump's authoritarian tendencies and the implications of potential future victories. Insights into Trump's likely legal safeguards and his pattern of committing and legalizing crimes if in power shed light on the ominous impact of his prolonged political influence.
Republicans can't get off the Trump highway to hell, but business and media elites are also cozying up to him in case he returns to power. Meanwhile, Trump's project to legalize crimes and delegitimize democracy continues. Ruth Ben-Ghiat joins Tim Miller today.