The Pastorate Podcast Incubator Sessions: Mark Sayers on Self Actualization as Idolatry, Spiritual Authority, the Priestly Call to Sacrifice, and Stewarding Soft Power
What does it look like to lead with spiritual authority in a cultural moment obsessed with visibility and self-expression?
This week, Jason is joined by Mark Sayers—pastor of Red Church in Melbourne and host of the Rebuilders podcast—for a powerful conversation about identity, calling, and the hidden pathways to kingdom influence. Mark unpacks the allure of self-actualization, the danger of “soft power” in leadership, and how true spiritual authority is formed in obscurity. Drawing from years of cultural analysis and pastoral ministry, Mark offers wisdom for pastors longing to lead with depth and integrity in an age of distraction.
In this episode:
Why self-actualization can become a form of idolatry
The countercultural nature of spiritual authority
How hiddenness forms us for leadership
The priestly pattern of sacrifice and service
Navigating influence and responsibility as a church leader
Biography
Mark Sayers is a cultural commentator, writer, and speaker. He is passionate about spiritual renewal and the future of the church. Mark is the author of a number of books, including Disappearing Church, Facing Leviathan, and Reappearing Church. Mark is the senior leader of Red Church in Melbourne, Australia. He is also one of the hosts of the Rebuilders podcast. Mark lives in Melbourne, Australia, with his wife, Trudi, his daughter, Grace, and twin boys, Hudson and Billy.
Sponsors
Thanks to Compassion Canada for sponsoring today’s episode. You can learn more about partnering with them as a church here.
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Guest Notes
Show Notes