This Is How Interest Rates Could Explode Higher (Or Go Lower)
Oct 3, 2024
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Chris MacIntosh and Lyn Alden dive deep into the world of interest rates and treasury yields. MacIntosh provides insights on how historical trends reveal the complexities behind supply and demand in determining rates. Alden elaborates on the Federal Reserve's role, emphasizing that growth and inflation expectations are critical beyond just policy actions. They challenge conventional wisdom and explore potential explosive shifts in interest rates, shedding light on how these factors could reshape investment strategies.
The podcast emphasizes that future economic growth and inflation expectations significantly influence interest rates more than the supply of treasury securities.
A thought experiment demonstrates that investors prioritize favorable yield spreads over the current supply of treasuries when making investment decisions.
Deep dives
Debating the Impact of Treasury Supply
The podcast discusses the debate surrounding whether the supply of treasury securities significantly affects their prices and yields. Proponents of the idea argue that if the Federal Reserve buys a substantial amount of treasuries, it distorts market signals and renders the yield curve meaningless. This perspective suggests that an inverted yield curve, which typically signals an impending recession, is primarily a result of the Fed's actions rather than genuine market conditions. However, the argument raises questions about the impact of oversupply on interest rates and whether supply alone can explain the current state of the treasury market.
The Role of Growth and Inflation Expectations
Key insights emphasize that growth and inflation expectations are more crucial determinants of interest rates than the mere supply of treasuries. The analysis reveals that despite a 25 trillion increase in U.S. debt, interest rates on 10-year treasuries remain relatively low compared to previous years. This counterintuitive scenario challenges the notion that increased supply should lead to higher yields, prompting a reevaluation of how the market responds to treasury issuance. Ultimately, the discussion suggests that investors are more influenced by future economic conditions than by current treasury supply levels.
Rethinking Treasury Investment Strategies
A thought experiment illustrates that an investor would still purchase treasuries even if the supply surged dramatically, as long as the spread between borrowing costs and treasury yields remains favorable. It emphasizes how the willingness to invest is shaped more by anticipated growth and inflation rather than the actual supply of treasuries on the market. Historical data further underscores that during periods of quantitative easing, interest rates can rise despite reduced treasury supply, a phenomenon that contradicts the typical supply-demand expectations. This analysis reinforces the idea that investors base their decisions more on macroeconomic outlooks than on current treasury issuance.
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