What would our systems look like if we didn't have Kubernetes? We started this discussion with platform engineering and its associated challenges. In talking about platforms, we covered ways in which people can consume infrastructure more effectively. That segwayed directly into ways in which Kubernetes could be changed under the covers, used for virtualization use for non traditional containerized automation. This episode is a pretty thorough review of alternatives to Kubernetes, and the ways in which Kubernetes misses the mark. Transcript: https://otter.ai/u/0qX-qloVOzAQ47LgpS2A9yXsoWs?utm_source=copy_url Image: https://www.pexels.com/photo/wrecked-ship-2336927/