If you put people before profit, will your business be a bigger success? Cliff Ho thinks so. But you need to be profitable and self-sustainable, too. That’s when you can make the biggest impact on communities and the environment.

Ho is the Co-Founder and Managing Director of The Commons, the wildly successful creative coworking spaces. When they opened their third location in Sydney in 2017, they filled the 3,5000sqm space with 550 members in just ten weeks. They have a waitlist on most of their sites today.

But it hasn’t all been smooth sailing for Ho. After tanking at an early presenting gig in front of 100,000 people, he got over it and got better. He honed his craft, practicing relentlessly in front of the camera until it felt natural, and went on to interview Kanye West, Miley Cyrus and Usher in his role as a host for Channel [V].

Listen in as Vince and Cliff discuss how to bounce back after a fall from grace, the time Kanye came off stage and asked him, “was that OK?”, and the importance of putting community first.

This episode is part of our ‘Design Your Life: Business for Good’ series focused on B Corps around the world.

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Designing community with Cliff Ho