652: 'He really believes that Americans are mean' (Audio)

This has not been a good week for President Donald Trump and his MAGA movement. Elections in New York, New Jersey, Virginia, Georgia, California, and beyond seemed to see voters sending a message to Trump and his allies about the government shutdown and more.

"Well, the first thing I think the president came out and said, 'Oh, the only reason that this happened is I wasn't on the ballot,'" former Sen. Heidi Heitkamp said on this episode of Plain Talk reacting to the results. "President Trump was on the ballot in every one of those states and and the message was clear. We don't like the direction you're headed."

"The more they ignore this, the the bigger the peril is for 2026," she added.

Heitkamp argues that Republicans are tone deaf on issues like health care costs and SNAP benefits. "They want to double down on all the policies under the theory that those are working," she said, arguing that Trump, in particular, seems to have a disconnect with the electorate.

"He believes his own headlines," Heitkamp said. "He believes that, you know, that people are mean. I mean, he really believes that Americans are mean. And, you know, he's going with the theory, and part of this is the longtime demonization of people who are on food assistance on SNAP."

Democrats, meanwhile, seem to have found their message, Heitkamp said. It's not culture war issues. "It's called affordability, which I've been preaching for freaking ever," she said.

Also on this episode, co-host Chad Oban and I discuss a lawsuit from trollish political activist Brandon Prichard challenging a state law making it a misdemeanor to lie in political messaging, how Democrats can turn their victories this week unto success in next year's midterms, and respond to listener feedback.

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