Chris and Mark first met during the Ashridge MSc in Organisational Consulting, when Chris was struggling to find colleagues who could bear his love of ambiguity and improvisation. Mark immediately struck Chris as someone who rejoices in creating experiences to explore the unknown. In this episode, Chris and Mark explore the roots of Mark’s work, from being a professional musician to his time as a sound engineer, and the joy of weaving his worlds together when he developed his form of organisational work called Grounded Creativity. This was a form of musical constellation inquiry, that Chris and Mark took into organisations as diverse as the NHS, Lufthansa, Beiersdorf, financial services and many more, to help address systems changes when the use of words was just not sufficient for the job.