We Just Watched... The Zone Of Interest (With Adam Ganser)
Jan 22, 2024
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Joined by Adam Ganser, our hosts discuss 'The Zone Of Interest' and its unique approach to the Holocaust story. They analyze the character of a woman who enjoys power over others, delve into the impact of protecting ourselves from tragedies, and explore the symbolic 'Under the Skin'. They reflect on the movie's disturbing nature, the challenges of portraying Nazis in films, and the importance of improvisation. The discussion also includes admiration for the director's skills and unique filming techniques.
'Zone of Interest' refuses to provide emotional engagement, highlighting the numbness and passivity of the characters in the face of Holocaust atrocities.
The film utilizes unconventional techniques, such as sound design and contrasting scenes, to enhance the impact and complexity of the narrative.
By shifting the perspective to the perpetrators and avoiding a redemptive narrative, 'Zone of Interest' challenges viewers to confront the uncomfortable reality of complicity in horrific acts.
Deep dives
The film delves into the concept of indifference and passiveness in the face of unfathomable horrors.
The podcast episode discusses the film 'Zone of Interest,' which explores the lives of a German family living next to Auschwitz during the Holocaust. The film intentionally avoids creating emotional connections with the characters, highlighting their indifference and lack of empathy towards the atrocities happening around them. It refuses to provide the usual emotional engagement typically found in Holocaust films, emphasizing the numbness and passivity of the characters. The film aims to make viewers grapple with the question of how people can turn a blind eye to such horrors.
The film employs unique techniques to convey its message.
The filmmaker utilizes unconventional techniques to enhance the impact of the story. The use of sound design is particularly effective in creating a sense of horror and discomfort throughout the film. The mundane activities of the characters are juxtaposed with the brutal reality of the Holocaust, emphasizing the unnaturalness of their indifference. The black and white polarized scenes featuring a young girl delivering apples to the prisoners add another layer of complexity to the narrative, providing a contrasting perspective to the darkness and numbness surrounding the main characters.
The film challenges traditional narratives of Holocaust storytelling.
Unlike traditional Holocaust films that focus on the victims and their resilience, 'Zone of Interest' shifts the perspective to the perpetrators. It explores the corrosive effects of evil and indifference on the souls of those involved. The film subverts audience expectations by refusing to provide a redemptive narrative or emotional connection with the characters. By doing so, it encourages viewers to confront the uncomfortable reality of how ordinary people can become complicit in horrific acts.
The film prompts reflection on the importance of remembrance and the danger of forgetting.
Through its unique storytelling approach, 'Zone of Interest' serves as a poignant reminder of the importance of remembering and understanding the Holocaust. The film highlights how the passage of time and the distancing of generations can lead to the numbing of emotions and the gradual forgetting of history's atrocities. It raises thought-provoking questions about the need to actively engage with the past and the potential consequences of falling into indifference. Ultimately, the film depicts the necessity of confronting and grappling with the darkest periods of human history.
Exploring the Contrarian Nature of Creators
Creators, including entertainers, often have a contrarian streak and a desire to push back against societal norms. This podcast episode highlights the effectiveness of harnessing that contrarian mindset in creating bold and unique work, using an example of a recent movie. The movie, despite being unconventional and challenging, manages to make a powerful impact. It serves as a reminder that pushing boundaries and advancing the art form should be valued, even if the result is not commercially successful.
The Importance of Remembering and Understanding Human Nature
This podcast episode discusses a thought-provoking movie that centers around the Holocaust. As a storytelling exercise, the film expertly uses visuals and sound to convey its meaning. It is argued that while the movie might be bleak and potentially frustrating for some viewers, it is an essential watch due to its depiction of a dark chapter in history. Additionally, the film prompts deeper reflection on human nature and the importance of understanding the reality of events like the Holocaust, even if it means confronting uncomfortable truths.
Joined by a special guest host, our heroes discuss one of the most important (and bleak) films of 2023, what it's saying, as well as the debate around violence and the holocaust as it relates to film, while recognizing that they aren't the best people to discuss any of this and also trying to make it fun to listen to. Anyway, enjoy.
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