The 2024 CBC Massey Lectures | # 5: Good conversations

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Mar 17, 2025

Ian Williams, an acclaimed author and creative writing instructor, dives deep into the art of meaningful conversation. He explores how impactful dialogues can transform perceptions and relationships, emphasizing the layers that define great exchanges. Williams shares personal anecdotes about loneliness and the importance of genuine engagement. He discusses the interplay of curiosity, attention, and reciprocity in fostering connections, while also addressing the challenges posed by modern communication and technology.

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ANECDOTE

Gym and Squash Conversations

Ian Williams had a conversation with a gym employee about equipment and later with his squash partner about banned books.
These conversations, though different, felt satisfying due to shared interest and intellectual stimulation.

INSIGHT

Elements of Good Conversation

Good conversations involve reciprocity and genuine interest.
They leave you feeling energized, suggesting curiosity and attention are key elements.

ADVICE

Transforming Questions

Improve conversations by turning simple questions into deeper ones.
Instead of asking "Where did you go to high school?", ask "What advice would you give a high schooler?"

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