Dr. Patrick McGrath and Michelle Massi bring 45 years of combined experience to this episode of the Get to Know OCD podcast, where they get into the state of OCD treatment today.

You’ll discover why failure can pave the way for progress, how feeding compulsions derails recovery, and why leaning into discomfort is key to reclaiming your life. Packed with practical wisdom and candid insights, this conversation is a must-hear for anyone affected by OCD — whether you’re struggling yourself or supporting a loved one.

Has your OCD recovery journey hit a wall recently? Visit https://learn.nocd.com/podcast to get perspective from our experts on how to treat yourself.

Show notes:
0:00 Intro

4:55 How failure led Michelle and Patrick to becoming therapists

7:37 Differences between residential, PHP and IOP treatments

12:17 Why someone might need higher level of care

15:35 Encouraging OCD patients to be accountable to treatment

19:23 OCD is never satisfied

20:38 Common questions Michelle gets

21:43 Family treatment can be complicated

28:50 ERP principles are life principles

36:05 What’s the “right” thing to do?

38:40 The role families play in OCD accommodation

41:53 The importance of evidence-based care

45:00 Learned helplessness

48:85 We’re allowed to be imperfect

49:48 Michelle’s future

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OCD Therapists Share Lessons From 45 Years Of Treating It