The CAFE team is taking a break from our usual programming this week, but we’re sharing another podcast we think you’ll enjoy.

It’s hosted by Preet’s colleague, Kara Swisher, an award-winning journalist who covers tech, politics, and media.

In this episode, Kara speaks with Ron Klain, the former White House Chief of Staff for President Joe Biden and the Chief Legal Officer for Airbnb. They cover President Biden’s decision to withdraw from the race, the role donors played in forcing Biden’s hand, and the fallout from the disastrous debate in June and accusations that Klain was partly to blame for the president’s poor performance. They also discuss Biden’s legacy and Vice President Kamala Harris’s campaign.

It’s another challenging, insightful discussion from one of the best in podcasting. You can listen to more of her show here.

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