Critical Listening Episode 1: Greg Saunier from Deerhoof
May 22, 2025
Joining the hosts is Greg Saunier, the innovative drummer of Deerhoof, a band that has thrived in the music industry for over 30 years. They delve into the political themes of their latest album, discuss resistance against the commodification of art, and explore the challenges of contemporary music-making. Saunier shares insights on the importance of music accessibility, like their unique decision to release sheet music for a song before recording it. The conversation also grapples with the intersection of art, technology, and societal pressure.
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Luck, Privilege, And Making Music To Cope
- Greg Saunier credits Deerhoof's longevity largely to dumb luck, early breaks, and privilege rather than superior survival skill.
- He describes making music as a coping mechanism that sustained him through decades of hostile industry conditions.
Mixing Emotions Simultaneously
- Greg argues emotions in music layer simultaneously rather than alternate between joy and grief.
- He purposely mixes tones so songs can feel both triumphant and ironic at once.
Disobedience As Mutiny And Fatigue
- Disobedience imagines a mutiny on a planetary 'ship' where the captain holds more violence but is outnumbered.
- The song ends without clear triumph, reflecting fatigue and difficulty in organizing effective rebellion.