Conversations with Tyler

Chase Koch on Principles, Music, and Overcoming Entropy

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Jul 15, 2026
Chase Koch, entrepreneur, lead guitarist of Two Lot, and head of Koch Disruptive Technologies, co-chairs Stand Together and co-wrote a book on principle-driven leadership. He recounts formative lessons from family and Brazil’s bureaucracy. He talks about music — the Gilmour solo that hooked him, jam-band culture, and why his band is named for entropy. He also discusses building businesses from a garage and using AI to learn coding.
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ANECDOTE

Brazil Project Made Principles Real

  • Chase Koch learned his father's economic and political principles viscerally while running a fertilizer terminal in Brazil that took five years instead of one due to red tape and corruption.
  • Experiencing protectionism and bureaucracy firsthand converted abstract lessons from childhood tapes into an enduring commitment to mutual-benefit, open-market principles.
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Comparative Advantage As Personal Compass

  • Chase sees comparative advantage as a personal leadership principle: know and play to your unique gift rather than imitate others.
  • He contrasts Charles Koch's abstract-philosophy strength with his own interpersonal and people-skills comparative advantage.
ANECDOTE

Sent To Shovel Manure To Learn Grit

  • Chase's parents forced him to choose between giving 100% to tennis or getting a job, so he was sent overnight to shovel manure and dig post holes at a feed yard.
  • That abrupt shift from country-club tennis to hard labor taught grit and may have kept him from a privileged, unproductive path.
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