I speak with Matt about how living together is possible when two different religious systems clash, about voice vs exit, Elon buying Twitter as an act of statesmanship, the accelerating "Current Thing" ratchet, civil rights law, based captains of industry as modern saviors, how we find each other and how we converge on a positive vision.

Matt Peterson is the Founder and President of New Founding and Align, founder of The American Mind, and Publisher of Return.life.

His recommended subversive is A.G. Sertillanges and his book "The Intellectual Life", described as "Thomist Jordan Peterson."