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Shane talks with Rev. Charles "Chaz" Howard. He is the chaplain at the University of Pennsylvania, where Elon Musk and Donald Trump when to college. Chaz is the chaplain at UPenn and talks about his work pastoring young people in this turbulent times. He has has a new book out "Uncovering Your Path." (he and Shane have also been arrested together a time or two for the good trouble).

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Campus, Conflict & Calling: Rev. Chaz Howard on Discernment in a Divided World