Continuing our discussion on the current situation in Ukraine, Francis Fukuyama speaks with Nataliya Gumenyuk, a Ukrainian author and journalist specializing in foreign affairs and conflict reporting. She joins the podcast from her home in Kyiv and shares her perspectives on the conflict, the Ukrainian government, and the country's political landscape.

Nataliya Gumenyuk is the CEO and co-founder of the Public Interest Journalism Lab, which aims at popularizing best practices for public interest journalism in the digital age. From 2015 to 2020 she ran the independent TV channel Hromadske. Since the start of the revolution and later conflict in Ukraine, Nataliya has been reporting from the field in Maidan, Crimea, and Donbas. Gumenyuk is the author of the book The Lost Island: Tales from  Occupied Crimea (2020), based on six years of reporting from the annexed peninsula. She is also the author of Maidan Tahrir. In Search Of The Lost Revolution (2015), based on her reporting on the Arab Spring.

Democracy IRL is produced by the Center on Democracy, Development and the Rule of Law (CDDRL), part of the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies (FSI) at Stanford University.

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